Pastor and Navigator (English version)

[October is a very MARIAN month: it is the month of the Rosary, Our Lady of the Rosary is celebrated on 7 October, and Mary’s last apparition in Fatima took place on 13 October. October is also a very PAPAL month: we celebrate Saint John XXIII (11 October) and Saint John Paul II (22 October), who were both elected popes in October, respectively on 28 October 1958 (60 years ago) and on 16 October 1978 (40 years ago). Venerable Pius XII died on 9 October 1958 (sixtieth anniversary this year). Finally, this last 14 October, Blessed Paul VI was canonized in Rome, to become Saint Paul VI.

Additional remarks: three of the feminine doctors of the Church received this title during October: Catherine of Siena (3 October 1970), Thérèse of Lisieux (19 October 1997) and Hildegard of Bingen (7 October 2012). The little Thérèse and the great Teresa are both celebrated in October (1st and 15 October). Furthermore, Teresa of Ávila died at the precise moment of the application of the Gregorian reform of the calendar, so that we can say that she died during «the night of 4 to 15 October 1582» (cf. note 2).]


That simple sentence: «The Army of Mary will be recognized by this SINGLE TRAIT: its fidelity to Rome and to the Pope», is far beyond human understanding and is part of a precise plan of God.

Mother Paul-Marie,
article «On the move towards the Church of John»,
signed on 3 March 2000, in the paper The Kingdom,
n. 139, March-April 2000, p. 5 [TK-139]

We are in an ENDING. Because of obedience to God and to Mary, to the very end, the blade of the guillotine is about to sever the head from the Army of Mary. And it is an honor for us to be decapitated through the instigation of the populist Church of Quebec. It will have taken us thirty years to understand, in the full breadth of their meaning, these very simple words: «The Army of Mary will be recognized by this single trait: its fidelity to Rome and to the Pope.»

Mother Paul-Marie,
article «Celle»,
signed on 24 September 2000, in the paper The Kingdom,
n. 145, September-October 2000, p. 6 [TK-145]

We form a family guided by Jesus and Mary who, as of our first meeting in 1971, have called upon us to join in the combat, reminding us, above all, that we are all on an equal footing, be we religious or laity, in the sense that, in God’s eyes, what counts before anything else is having a profoundly religious soul. That is the reason why we are still capable of loving the Church and its leaders who will never be able to take from us this spiritual and mystical force, for, if we have the joy of possessing it, it is because they have caused us to merit it.

That is also the reason we can still repeat after more than thirty years:

The Army of Mary will be recognized by this single trait:
«its fidelity to Rome and to the Pope». (September 7, 1971)

Mother Paul-Marie,
article «When all becomes Eucharist»,
signed on 22 February 2005, in the paper The Kingdom,
n. 171, January-February 2005, p. 25 [TK-171]


After the motto PASTOR ANGELICUSAngelic pastor»), another motto contains the word «PASTOR» (the only two mottos to contain this word):

Pastor and navigator»)

[The Latin word «nauta» is translated here by «navigator», designating a person who steers or operates a boat or ship or vessel. This English word has some resemblance, morphologically, with the Latin word. Other words could be used: «sailor», «mariner», «pilot», «helmsman», «steersman».]

First interpretation of the 107th motto

The first and common interpretation of that motto is to logically attribute it to the pope following Pius XII, namely Pope Saint John XXIII. It is what Raoul Auclair did, at first, in his book.[1] He also drew this interesting parallel:

Another motto, the only one, besides the one concerning John XXIII [1958-1963], contains the word NAUTA: NAUTA DE PONTE NIGRO: «Navigator of the dark sea»! It concerns Gregory XII (1406-1417) who was Pope at the same time as antipope John XXIII [1410-1415] whose name, very curiously, cardinal Roncalli adopted. [p. 67; free translation]

The Church was sailing dark and stormy waters, during the Great Occidental Schism (1378-1417), among the seductive songs of sirens [the greenish section of the table]. The schism broke out after the papacy came back to Rome, following a stay in Avignon for almost seven decades [the purplish section of the table]. Designated by the 41st motto NOVUS DE VIRGINE FORTINew of the strong virgin»), Pope Gregory XI (1370-1378) had taken the decision to bring the papal court back to Rome, bringing a «new» breath to the Church, thanks to the intervention of a «strong virgin», Saint Catherine of Siena.

Some opposed this decision, sowing division within the Church: an antipope was proclaimed in Avignon, to which was added another one in Pisa, fighting for the tiara with the authentic pope in Rome. In this storm and this confusion, who was the real pope? The oracle speaks in favour of the pope of Rome, with the mottos 47 (DE MELIORE SYDERE, «Of a better star») and 48 (NAUTA DE PONTE NIGRO, «Navigator of the dark sea»).

Just as it’s a Gregory (XI) [41st motto] that put an end to the Avignon Papacy, likewise it’s another Gregory (XII) [48th motto] that put an end to the disorder of the schism by agreeing to abdicate (4 July 1415), after antipope John XXIII was deposed (29 May 1415).[2] Everybody (or almost) having left the whole crisis behind and started afresh with a «blank slate», Martin V was elected with quasi-unanimity, on 11 November 1417. He corresponds to the 51st motto:

Crown of the golden veil»)
Crown of the golden sail»)

[The neutral Latin word «velum» (genitive singular «veli») can be translated in English by the masculine word «veil» (in the sense of drapery, hanging, curtain, fabric which serves to cover, to protect, to hide); but also by the feminine word «sail» (in the sense of piece of material extended on a mast to catch the wind and propel a ship). In the latter sense, the word «sail» can even indicate, by metonymy and poetry, the ship itself. Maybe it is advisable, within the framework of the Prophecy of the Popes, to leave the door open to a nautical or naval interpretation of the word «velum», the Church being often symbolized by the image of a boat, a ship or a vessel.][3]

By working on this study of the oracular sentences of the holy bishop Malachy, I realized that the mission of Joan of Arc (which culminated with the sacring and the crowning of Charles VII, on 17 July 1429) unfolded towards the end of the pontificate of Martin V (1417-1431), whose motto contains the Latin word «corona», that is «crown». Martin V died on 20 February 1431. The day after, on 21 February, the first public session took place during the trial of Joan of Arc. The new pope, Eugene IV, was elected on 3 March, which, incidentally, is also the day of the sixth and last public session. Eugene IV was the reigning pope when Joan exclaimed in supreme defense, on 24 May, down from the scaffold of the cemetery Saint-Ouen: «I refer me to God and to our holy father the Pope!»

[I was stunned to notice that Joan’s public interrogations corresponded, without calculation of the judges, to the absence of pope in Rome. While the new pope came into office, doctors and masters met in the house of bishop Pierre Cauchon, from 4 to 9 March. Following their deliberations, from 10 March, the interrogations started again, in secret this time, in Joan’s prison.

We can draw an interesting parallel with the situation of the Army of Mary: the pastoral message of Cardinal Marc Ouellet concerning the Army of Mary and the third letter of the pontifical commissioner Archbishop Terrence Prendergast to the Sons of Mary were published on 4 April 2005, after the death of John Paul II (who died on Saturday, 2 April 2005, at 9:37pm). Of course, the interventions of these two men of the Church are dependent on their predecessors or their hierarchical superiors: Cardinal Louis-Albert Vachon, Monsignor Maurice Couture, Cardinal Eduardo Martínez Somalo, Monsignor Silvano Nesti, Monsignor Gilles Cazabon, not to mention the Canadian Episcopal Conference as a whole (with the 2001 Doctrinal Note) and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.]

After her execution (30 May 1431), Joan will be officially rehabilitated 25 years later, on 7 July 1456, by an ecclesiastical tribunal established under the blessing of Pope Callixtus III.

Martin V (1417-1431): 51. CORONA VELI AUREICrown of the golden sail»)

Eugene IV (1431-1447): 52. LUPA COELESTINACelestine she-wolf»)

Callixtus III (1455-1458): 55. BOS PASCENSPasturing ox»)         

On 17 July 1429, Archbishop Regnault de Chartres, in the cathedral Our Lady of Reims (French: Notre-Dame de Reims), conferred the royal sacring (sacred anointing) to Charles VII and put the royal crown on his head. The Prophecy of the Popes (motto 51) seems to confirm this event: the Dauphin received his crown (CORONA) from the hands of the Church (VELI AUREI, that is the golden sail or the golden vessel). In so doing, the Church confirmed Joan’s vocation and mission as coming authentically from God.

The «she-wolf» of Eugene IV can evoke the story of the twins Romulus and Remus, the founders of the city of Rome. The legend tells that both children were abandoned in a basket on the Tiber. Having survived, they are discovered by a nurturing she-wolf which suckles them in a cave at the foot of the Palatine Hill (one of the Seven Hills of Rome).[4] But the wolf is also a wild, fearsome and rapacious animal, tearing its preys to pieces and devouring them. A canine and wolfish violence, of fratricide nature, presided over the foundation of Rome, as Raoul reports it in one of his books:

Born in the blood of Remus, who was murdered by his brother Romulus, Rome, at the top of her glory, culmination of the Mystery of Iniquity which she carried in her, flushed crimson with the blood of the Martyrs.[5]

Capitoline She-Wolf, Musei Capitolini, Rome

The «ox» of Callixtus III is an animal with peaceful character and tamed strength. It collaborates by working in the fields and can be of use as a mount for the sage. It is present in the Christmas crib, beside the donkey (cf. Lc 13, 15).[6]

Joan of Arc was confirmed by the motto of Martin V (CORONA VELI AUREI), just like Catherine of Siena had been by the motto of Gregory XI (NOVUS DE VIRGINE FORTI). The Maid was condemned and executed by the «she-wolf» (under the motto LUPA COELESTINA), and finally rehabilitated by the «ox» (under the motto BOS PASCENS).[7]

In the midst of the Hundred Years’ War, and dominated by the figure of two women (Catherine and Joan), this eventful chapter of the Church history (Avignon Papacy and Great Occidental Schism) and of the history of Royalty in France, leads us to draw a parallel with our time.

Thérèse of Lisieux, 22 years old, in the role of Joan of Arc

Second interpretation of the 107th motto

Today, in the Church, another kind of disorder is rife. A disorder graver than ever before. It was, under the first John XXIII, doubts on the person of the pontiffs; it is, nowadays, and since the Council convened by the second John XXIII, doubts in matters of faith. All the truths of faith are questioned.[8]

Several reasons justify a parallel between the situation of the Great Occidental Schism and our present time.[9] Firstly, as we have seen, there are the two instances of the word «nauta», in the mottos 48 (NAUTA DE PONTE NIGRO) and 107 (PASTOR ET NAUTA). Furthermore, antipope John XXIII (1410-1415) convened the Council of Constance which ended the Great Occidental Schism.[10] For his part, Pope John XXIII (1958-1963) convened the second Vatican Council which will mark the beginning of the Great Crisis or the Great Storm in the Church.[11]

The first John XXIII convened the Council which ended the disorders of the Church; the second John XXIII opens the Council which was, not certainly the cause, but surely the pretext of the immense eddy of a Church saturated with heresy and apostasy. It was necessary nevertheless. The boat could not remain moored to the shore. The pastor, who is also the pilot, obeyed: «Duc in altum!» (Lc 5, 4) Put out into the deep![12]

Other thematic links unite the mottos of the period of the Great Occidental Schism and those of our time, especially with the theme of celestial bodies. The presence of the «moon» (mottos 43 and 54), in a context of «schism» (mottos 36 and 44), anticipate our time: the «smallness» of the moon (motto 54) will become the «half» of the moon (motto 109).

If this is indeed a schism, here and there, it is to be feared that the Great Occidental Schism is only a quite small misfortune, a minor disorder, compared to the one that threatens us.[13]

The «sun» (mottos 49 and 110), this «better star» (motto 47), can symbolize the «papacy»,[14] the Pope being the Vicar of Christ, Sun of Justice, or, according to the expression of Saint Catherine of Siena, the «sweet Christ on earth».[15]

The symbolism of navigation is also present in the period of the Great Occidental Schism and our present time, in addition to the symbolism of celestial bodies (besides these are important marks in navigation).[16] The word «nauta» or «navigator» (mottos 48 and 107) evokes a turbulent, stormy and tempestuous period, because it is in times of heavy seas that the navigator is most needed. When the sea is quiet, a graver danger can arise, because of its deceptiveness and insidiousness: the siren song, denounced by Homer in the Odyssey, the famous epic which tells the journey home of Odysseus after the Trojan War.[17] The danger of seduction appears in the motto 50, attributed to antipope John XXIII:

Stag of the siren»)
Stag and sirens»)

[The word «siren», in Latin, is «siren, sirenis», and not «sirena, sirenae». Thus it is a spelling mistake in the motto. The latter is generally translated by «Stag of the siren», if we consider the word «sirenae» in the genitive singular. Raoul Auclair translates «Stag and siren», and we could also say «Stag and sirens» (if we take the word «sirenae» in the nominative plural, and in spite of the absence of the coordinating conjunction «et»).]

In front of «sirens», the «stag» could refer to the elect, who run the risk of being seduced themselves, if that were possible. But the Gospel tells us that the days of seduction will be shortened, «for the sake of the elect» (Matthew 24, 22-24; Mark 13, 20-22). During the Great Occidental Schism, fervent and holy people could have been mistaken on the identity of the true pope. Antipope Alexander V, this «old man full of virtue»,[18] designated by the 49th motto FLAGELLUM SOLISScourge of the sun»), fell into the trap, further increasing the «scourge» of confusion.

Already in his book La Prophétie des Papes (pp. 109-110), Raoul Auclair attempted to attribute the motto PASTOR ET NAUTA to Pope Paul VI, because the storm burst out under the pontificate of the latter. Thus he suggested to combine Pope John XXIII (1958-1963) with homonymous antipope John XXIII (1410-1415), designated by the 50th motto CERVUS SIRENAEStag of the siren» or «Stag and sirens»).

Raoul took back the idea of combining the two John XXIIIs in the second edition (1975) of his book Les Centuries de Nostradamus ou le Dixième Livre sibyllin (pp. 271-273), as well as in an article published in the paper Marie, in June 1977.[19] A bit later (1982), after the accession of John Paul I and of John Paul II, Raoul reproduced (with some modifications) this last article in his book Eschatologie de notre Temps. Therein, he still makes the connection between the two John XXIIIs, but also establishes for the first time the possibility that PASTOR ET NAUTA be applied to more than one pope, namely those by the names of «John», «Paul» or «John Paul» (four popes), called to be the «pastors» and the «navigators» of the Church during the «Great Storm» (pp. 325-330).

Meanwhile, Marc Bosquart wrote the article «Flos Florum — La Fleur des Fleurs».[20] In that article, Marc shows that only the Lady of all Peoples can identify herself with the 108th motto FLOS FLORUMFlower of Flowers»), confirming the intuition of Raoul in Eschatologie de notre Temps about the four popes PASTOR ET NAUTA. Finally, Raoul published the article «Pasteur et Timonier» [«Pastor and Helmsman»], in which he clearly ties together the above-mentioned four popes, while making no more reference at all to any sort of association of the two John XXIIIs under the same motto.[21] A year later (1987), in his book L’Apocalypse, volume III, he refers many times to the four PASTOR ET NAUTA (cf. pp. 54, 59-62, 98, 321), especially John Paul II, the «last of the four» (p. 89), «this fourth and last» (p. 337) PASTOR ET NAUTA (cf. pp. 148-149, 151, 157).

This definitive interpretation of PASTOR ET NAUTA, originating from Saint Raoul Auclair, is accepted only in the context of the Army of Mary. It consists in taking the four successors of Pius XII: John XXIII (1958-1963), Paul VI (1963-1978), John Paul I (1978) and John Paul II (1978-2005), and in merging them together under the same motto, whose very wording seems to be open to that interpretation. Indeed, to say «pastor» and «navigator» (PASTOR ET NAUTA) is like to say «pope» and «pope». These four popes, who share the names of «John» and «Paul», also have in common this great mission of renewing the Church through the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), at the dawn of the Third Millennium.[22]

This interpretation peculiar to Raoul Auclair is confirmed by Mother Paul-Marie in different places in her writings. As early as the year 1984 (after Eschatologie de notre Temps and before «Pasteur et Timonier»), she wrote:

With John XXIII who opened the Council, with Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II, there you have an entire epoch to which the motto «PASTOR ET NAUTA», «Pastor and Helmsman», can be applied. On a raging sea, up against all kinds of difficulties brought about by the spirit of darkness, but trusting in Mary, the present Pope, following the same line of thought as his illustrious Predecessors, is guiding Christianity to a safe harbor, despite the threat of a universal disaster.[23]

Then, in 1993, she made reference to the «Popes navigators»:

But the storms are passing — almost thirty years of dense darkness that all too often has hidden the radiant sun, which always returns, beneficent, to make flourish the sprouts which have been able to resist, and which now are stronger, thanks to the depths of their well protected roots. In fact, was it not necessary that these things should come to pass? Through the turmoils and the massive attacks, the Church has always risen more powerful and more beautiful, following her courageous Heads: the Popes navigators on this storm-riven sea, always drawing their inspiration from the values of heaven and eternity.[24]

Finally, in 1997, in her booklet God’s Ways are not our ways, Mother Paul-Marie stated:

«According to Raoul Auclair, «“this John and Paul and the John Pauls” form an entire epoch!». An epoch that would place them under a single motto, «Pastor and Helmsman», illustrating their pontificates, if reference is made to the famous Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, bishop of Armagh, in Ireland.» [p. 64][25]

This «entire epoch» is characterized by «three key popes» (Pius X, Pius XII, John Paul II), that I underscored in bold characters in the table. All the popes of the XXth century can be considered as the «Fighters». The first two (Pius X, Benedict XV) are linked to the first phase of the «Universal War-Revolution» (World War I); the next two (Pius XI, Pius XII) to the second phase (World War II); and the last four (John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II) to the third phase (World War III). This «World War III» would be the «new, strange war» prophesied by the Lady in that same vision where she speaks of this «entire epoch» (4th vision), and could correspond to the Cold War and the War on Terror. Pius XII and John Paul II are the two prominent papal figures of that period.[26]

As we can see, concerning the motto PASTOR ET NAUTA, the vision of Raoul Auclair is clear-sighted and well-supported by our Mother.[27] This «trap»,[28] so to speak, in the interpretation (one motto, four popes) is meant to outsmart those who approach the prophecy with sterile curiosity or dubious motives, instead of a spirit of love, repentance and prayer.[29]


In the book Le Secret de Marie, published on the occasion of the centennial of Mary’s apparitions in Fatima, I widely used the Prophecy of the Popes as a backdrop of my analyses. Indeed, the «Holy Father» is at the heart of Fatima: the request of the consecration of Russia is addressed to him and the «third secret» is about him.

In chapter 8 (pp. 47-49), starting with the famous prophecy of Garabandal about the last three popes after John XXIII, I explain that the Church of Peter comes to an end with John-Paul II (the last PASTOR ET NAUTA). The 107th motto also appears on pages 31, 38, 54, 60-62 and 109 (appendix 3), as well as in note 22, where I raise the issue of the Second Vatican Council.

The motto PASTOR ET NAUTA started in 1958, which is a pivotal year in Marie-Paule’s life where she received her mission as Co-Redemptrix (Life of Love, volume I, chapter 53, 28 April 1958). 20 years later, in 1978, soon after the election of John Paul II, the fourth and last PASTOR ET NAUTA,[30] the Lord said to Marie-Paule:

«COME, I AM TAKING YOU NOW FOR MY CHURCH.» [LL XV, 447, 21 November 1978]

The Flower of Flowers (FLOS FLORUM), as a new Catherine of Siena, will have the mission of transfering the «papacy» within a new Rome (by way of a mystic transmutation), and as a new Joan of Arc, of laying the foundations of the new «royalty».



Saint John XXIII (Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli)

Born: 25 November 1881
Papacy began: 28 October 1958
Died: 3 June 1963
Heroic virtues recognized: 20 December 1999 [by John Paul II]
Beatified: 3 September 2000 (simultaneously with Pius IX) [by John Paul II]
Canonized: 27 April 2014 (simultaneously with John Paul II) [by Francis]
Liturgical feast: 11 October


Saint Paul VI (Giovanni Battista Enrico Antonio Maria Montini)

Born: 26 September 1897
Papacy began: 21 June 1963
Died: 6 August 1978
Heroic virtues recognized: 20 December 2012 [by Benedict XVI]
Beatified: 19 October 2014 [by Francis]
Canonized: 14 October 2018 [by Francis]
Liturgical feast: 29 May


Venerable John Paul I (Albino Luciani)

Born: 17 October 1912
Papacy began: 26 August 1978
Died: 28 September 1978
Heroic virtues recognized: 8 November 2017 [by Francis]
Beatified: 4 September 2022 [by Francis]
Liturgical feast: 26 August

[The opening of the process towards the beatification of Paul VI and John Paul I was made under the pontificate of John Paul II, respectively in 1993 and 2003.]

Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Albino Luciani, the future Pope John Paul I, are pictured in Venice, in September 1972.

Saint John Paul II (Karol Józef Wojtyła)

Born: 18 May 1920
Papacy began: 16 October 1978
Died: 2 April 2005
Heroic virtues recognized: 19 December 2009 (simultaneously with Pius XII) [by Benedict XVI]
Beatified: 1st May 2011 [by Benedict XVI]
Canonized: 27 April 2014 (simultaneously with John XXIII) [by Francis]
Liturgical feast: 22 October





[The double canonization of John XXIII and John Paul II, on 27 April 2014 in Rome, was underlined in the paper The Kingdom.][33]



[1]Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 64-68. L’Osservatore Romano itself (7 November 1958) applied the motto to John XXIII, after his election (cf. La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 66-67).

[2]In the table that I made of the Prophecy of the Popes, we come accross this curious correspondence: Catherine of Siena was contemporary of Gregory XI, Joan of Arc of Gregory XII and Teresa of Ávila of Gregory XIII. The latter, who is connected with the 72nd motto (cf. next note), made an important reform of the calendar (a more precise distribution of leap years and a jump forward of 10 days to catch up the delay accumulated during the centuries). Teresa of Ávila died during «the night of 4 to 15 October 1582», that is exactly the night where Spain, Portugal and Italy turned from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar by decision of Pope Gregory XIII. This is presumably the longest night in history (people were going to bed on 4 October and they woke up the next day on 15 October).

[3]A similar case of interpretative ambivalence is given by Raoul Auclair, with the 72nd motto MEDIUM CORPUS PILARUM (translated by «Body in the center of the globes»). The Latin word «pila» (genitive plural «pilarum») can be translated by «ball» or «globe», on the one hand, but also by «column» or «course or layer of stones», on the other hand. This second meaning could concern the Church, in accordance with this exegetical principle proposed by Raoul: «The narrow and concrete sense of the motto should be broadened in order to recognize some fundamental aspect of the Church, either in herself, or confronted with the history of those days.» (La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 22-23) This reinforces the interpretation that I propose here for the mottos 51, 52 and 55. By good fortune, the motto 55 (which is the number of the Lady of all Peoples) is mentioned by Raoul in this place of his book (p. 22). Callixtus III (motto 55) was elected on 8 April 1455.

By retaining the first meaning, Raoul interprets the «globes» as being the «mottos» themselves, so that the motto 72 («Body in the center of the globes») is connected with the motto 73 («Axis in the midst of the sign») as to the meaning, that is the indication that we arrived in the middle of the prophecy. Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 98-104.

[4]The cave is named Lupercal, according to the Latin «lupa» («she-wolf»). The shepherd Faustulus would afterward have entrusted Remus and Romulus to his wife Acca Larentia, a prostitute called «lupa» by the shepherds. Thus, the she-wolf can symbolize a prostitute or the vices of lust and greed, hence the French word «lupanar» (brothel).

[5]Raoul Auclair, Mystère de l’Histoire, p. 144. Stricken with remorse, Romulus granted the honour of a burial to his brother Remus, whom he interred under the Aventin Hill.

[6]In the Gospel, a donkey is used as a mount for Jesus, the King of Peace: Matthew 21, 2-7; Mark 11, 2-7; Luke 19, 30-35; John 12, 14-15.

[7]Cf. Dominique Poulain, «Deux missions spéciales à 555 ans d’intervalle: Jeanne d’Arc et Marie-Paule» (Le Royaume, n. 39, mars 1986, pp. 5-6) [LR-039]; Sister Lucile Michaud, «Réhabilitation de Jeanne d’Arc» (Le Royaume, n. 54, septembre 1987, pp. 12-13) [LR-054]; Sister Sylvie Payeur [Sylvie Payeur-Raynauld], «Dans la foulée de Jeanne» (Le Royaume, n. 77, novembre-décembre 1990, p. 18) [LR-077]. Sister Lucile Michaud’s article is particularly interesting within the context of the present article, because the Popes Martin V, Eugene IV and Callixtus III are all three mentioned (and even antipope Felix V).

Other texts related to Saint Joan of Arc can be found in the paper The Kingdom with the following references: LR-042, pp. 4-7; LR-045, p. 10; TK-106, p. 21; TK-107, p. 16; LR-112, pp. 18-19, 21; TK-120, pp. 26-27; LR-121, p. 19; TK-139, pp. 13-17; TK-140, p. 11; LR-144, p. 19 (Catherine of Siena); TK-151, pp. 6-8; TK-168, p. 24; TK-169, pp. 12-14; TK-171, p. 4 (Catherine and Joan); TK-188, pp. 1-2; TK-196, pp. 13-15; TK-207, p. 16.

Excerpts of Jacques Maritain were reported in the paper The Kingdom, concerning «Saint Joan of Arc and private revelations»: TK-148, pp. 24; LR-149, p. 16.

[8]La Prophétie des Papes, p. 109.

[9]Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 67-68, 108-113, 122-124, 132-133.

[10]The Council of Constance deposed antipope John XXIII (29 May 1415); Pope Gregory XII reconvened the Council and resigned by proxy (4 July 1415); the Council deposed antipope Benedict XIII (26 July 1417) and elected Pope Martin V (11 November 1417). Gregory XII, who had become again Cardinal Angelo Correr, had just died some time ago (18 October 1417).

[11]In line with the symbolism of the number 111, let us note this numerical coincidence: 555 years and 25 days separate the election of Gregory XII (30 November 1406) and the convening of the Second Vatican Council by John XXIII (25 December 1961). Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 112-113. The first session of the Second Vatican Council began on 11 October 1962.

[12]La Prophétie des Papes, p. 113; cf. pp. 122-124. Elsewhere Raoul Auclair writes:

Today, the disorders began since the Council convened by the new John XXIII. But they lie those who say that the Council is the source of the disorders. It was the pretext; and the disorders came from the treason of the teachings of the Council. [Eschatologie de notre Temps, p. 326]

Then there will be — it has begun and is coming to an end — a great disturbance in the Church. The Second Vatican Council, a holy and true Council, if not the cause, became the pretext. Never, in twenty centuries, had such disorder so shaken Christianity. [L’Apocalypse, vol. III, p. 61]

[13]Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, p. 124. The crescent «moon» (the moon in its smallness) can also symbolize the Crescent of Islam, on one hand, and the communist sickle, on the other hand, both destined to grow or to «wax», if not to a full moon, at least to a half-moon (the moon in its half). Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 124-129.

[14]Cf. La Prophétie des Papes, p. 133.

[15]Cf. Raoul Auclair, Sainte Catherine de Sienne, pp. 68, 71, 73, 107; Eschatologie de notre Temps, p. 319; Marie Toute Belle en ses Quinze Mystères, p. 60; LL X, 426.

[16]Not to mention that the phenomenon of tides is bound to the mutual attraction forces of the earth, the moon and the sun.

[17]Cf. Raoul Auclair, La Prophétie des Papes, pp. 109-113; Le Jour de Yahvé, pp. 87-88; Eschatologie de notre Temps, p. 355.

[18]La Prophétie des Papes, p. 132.

[19]Cf. Raoul Auclair, «Paul VI, le Pape qui accomplit les Signes» (Marie, n. 9, juin 1977, pp. 7-8) [M-09]. It’s worth noting that in the following issue of the paper Marie, Marie-Paule presented the pope (who was Paul VI) as «the Pastor and the Navigator»: «Je ne suis pas venu apporter la paix mais le glaive» (Marie, n. 10, juillet-août 1977, p. 1) [M-10]. Cf. LL III, 36.

[20]Cf. Marc Bosquart, «Flos Florum — La Fleur des Fleurs» (Le Royaume, n. 31, mai 1985, pp. 1, 3) [LR-031].

[21]Cf. Raoul Auclair, «Pasteur et Timonier» (Le Royaume, n. 39, mars 1986, pp. 1, 3-4) [LR-039]. In this article, Raoul shares with us words of Jesus taken from the work of Maria Valtorta The Poem of the Man-God (1st edition) / The Gospel as revealed to me (2nd edition). These words confirm, in a very surprising way, Raoul’s intuitions on the four PASTOR ET NAUTA.

[22]Cf. John Paul II, apostolic letter Tertio millennio adveniente (10 November 1994), n. 18. In Life of Love, a chapter is devoted to Paul VI (LL II, 329-330) and another one to John Paul I and John Paul II (LL XV, 440-445).

[23]«L’Église rénovée» (Le Royaume, n. 22, juin 1984, p. 1) [LR-022].

[24]«La nouvelle Pentecôte» (Le Royaume, n. 92, mars-avril 1993, pp. 1; emphasis added) [LR-092].

[25]Mother Paul-Marie referred several times to this «entire epoch» indicated by the Lady of all Peoples in the 4th vision: cf. LL III, 431; «L’Église rénovée» (Le Royaume, n. 22, juin 1984, p. 1) [LR-022]; «One flock, one Shepherd» (The Kingdom, n. 123, September-October 1997, p. 5) [TK-123]; «The Flower of Flowers» — «Flos Florum» (The Kingdom, n. 150, July-August 2001, pp. 5-6) [TK-150]; God’s ways are not our ways, pp. 60-70 (in particular pp. 60-61, 64, 69).

[26]Cf. La Dame de tous les Peuples — Ouverture à l’intelligence des messages, pp. 45-50, 82-86. Raoul Auclair makes the connection between the «reports of wars» (Mt 24, 6; Mc 13, 7) of Jesus’ eschatological discourse and the Cold War, which he describes as a «new kind of war» and a «strange war»: Tous ces mystères dans le Mystère de Marie, p. 64.

[27]She also indirectly approves of the new vision of Raoul when she writes that «Raoul has revised his position on that subject»: «The Flower of Flowers» — «Flos Florum» (The Kingdom, n. 150, July-August 2001, p. 5) [TK-150]. Father Pierre Mastropietro, for his part, describes John Paul II as the «Pastor and Helmsman» in the following reference: «He who hears you hears me…» (The Kingdom, n. 172, March-April 2005, p. 22) [TK-172].

[28]Raoul Auclair, Les Centuries de Nostradamus ou le Dixième Livre sibyllin, p. 271; Eschatologie de notre Temps, pp. 325-326; «Pasteur et Timonier» (Le Royaume, n. 39, mars 1986, p. 3, 3e colonne en haut) [LR-039].

[29]Sylvie Payeur-Raynauld reports the Raoulian reinterpretation in the following article: «Pope John Paul II and the Marian Work» (The Kingdom, n. 172, March-April 2005, p. 9) [TK-172]. In the paper The Kingdom, there are still at least five articles which deal amply with the Prophecy of the Popes. Here they are:

  1. Marc Élie, «In nomine Domini» (The Kingdom, n. 154, March-April 2002, pp. 10-12) [TK-154];
  2. Marc Élie, «In nomine Domini» (II) (The Kingdom, n. 155, May-June 2002, pp. 15-19) [TK-155];
  3. Joël Fortin, «Openness to the “True Spirit”» (The Kingdom, n. 182, November-December 2006, pp. 12-14) [TK-182];
  4. Joël Fortin, «The motives for credibility in favor of the Church of John» (The Kingdom, n. 184, March-April 2007, pp. 9-11) [TK-184];
  5. Father Marcel Larouche, «The identity of Peter the Roman» (The Kingdom, n. 205, September-October 2010, pp. 1-3) [TK-205].

Articles 1 and 2 basically endorse the definitive interpretation of Raoul Auclair (four popes under the motto PASTOR ET NAUTA). Articles 3, 4 and 5, without dismissing Raoul’s vision, propose reflections in line with the common interpretation (one pope per motto). All these articles are well-grounded in the volumes of Life of Love and confront the Prophecy of the Popes with events of the Church and the world history.

The common interpretation is briefly evoked in the following articles:

  • FLOS FLORUM-Paul VI: Sylvie Payeur-Raynauld, «The Year Saint Paul» (The Kingdom, n. 192, July-August 2008, p. 4, 1st column) [TK-192];
  • DE LABORE SOLIS-John Paul II: Dominique Poulain, «From whence will the Light come?» (The Kingdom, n. 196, March-April 2009, p. 12) [TK-196].

[30]There was 111 Cardinal electors, during the conclave of October 1978, distributed as follows:

  • 55 Europeans (including 26 Italians, 7 Frenchmen, 5 Germans, 4 Spaniards);
  • 56 extra-Europeans (9 from the United States, 3 from Canada, 19 from Latin America, 12 from Africa, 9 from Asia and 4 from Oceania); the 3 Canadians were: Paul-Émile Léger, Maurice Roy and George Bernard Flahiff.

It is interesting to find here the seal of the number 111, on which is structured the Prophecy of the Popes. Mother Paul-Marie also underlined the «divine Harmony in the Numbers», during the conclave which was going «to elect him who would be the Pope of the Lady of all Peoples, having the spirit of John»: «On the move towards the Church of John» (The Kingdom, n. 139, March-April 2000, p. 12) [TK-139]. Elsewhere, she considers John Paul II as «the friend of all the peoples» and she calls him again «the Pope of the Lady of all Peoples»: «I have given all» (The Kingdom, n. 155, May-June 2002, p. 21) [TK-155]. This latter reference was included in the last chapter of The White Book IV, The Covenant between Heaven and Earth, pp. 224-227 (WB-IV, 224-227).

[31]Mother Paul-Marie, «A royal stake» (The Kingdom, n. 137, November-December 1999, p. 22) [TK-137].

[32]Mother Paul-Marie, «On the move towards the Church of John» (The Kingdom, n. 139, March-April 2000, p. 5) [TK-139].

[33]Cf. Sylvie Payeur-Raynauld, «The canonization of Popes John XXIII and John Paul II» (The Kingdom, n. 226, March-April 2014, p. 10) [TK-226].

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